T.L. Morrisey

Friday, August 1, 2025

Welby Arthur Skinner, 1896 - 1984

Brief bio of Welby Arthur Skinner:

When Welby Arthur Skinner was born on 13 November 1896, in Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom, his father, Arthur John Skinner, was 28 and his mother, Elizabeth Mary Ann Eagle Roberts, was 20. He married Florence Maud Hurst in 1920, in Camberwell, London, England, United Kingdom. He lived in City of London, England, United Kingdom in 1901 and Camberwell, Surrey, England in 1911. He died in June 1984, in Bromley, London, England, United Kingdom, at the age of 87, and was buried in Camberwell, London, England, United Kingdom.

        -- Source: https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L5RT-4SQ/welby-arthur-skinner-1896-1984


Welby Arthur Skinner


Welby Skinner's Rolls Royce:






The following is from the FaceBook page of the present owner of Welby Skinner's Rolls Royce:

 

"This is my 1933 20/25 AXE451. She was bought new in 1933 from Jack Barclay by my wife's great uncle, Welby Skinner. Welby was a Harley Street dentist and a bit of a show off. He was determined to buy himself a Rolls Royce, and to cushion the grief from his wife on the day he came home in it, he stopped off to buy her a mink coat!
The original coach builder was Mann Egerton (mainly known for building aircraft I believe), but then in 1951 Welby splashed out £500 to have her coachwork modernised by Gurney Nutting. The front wings were custom made to look similar in appearance to the Phantom 3 which lead to alterations of the running boards and lower doors. P100 headlamps were added too.
I'll post a bit more about the car and how she ended up in my care soon.

Edit:
Welby's wife, Florrie, passed away and he remarried in the 1960s. (Since being in my care, I have named the car Florrie in honour of his wife. The 'rr' in the middle a nod to the manufacturer). Welby remarried and in 1969 gifted the Rolls to his step son, Malcolm. The Rolls didn't clock up many miles once owned by Malcolm, but it did come out for my wedding on 14th April 1994 (30 years next week!). Later that year Malcolm started 'tinkering'. Oh dear! Until my ownership in 2020, the headlamps sat on a sofa in Malcolm's lounge and 90% of the interior, door cards included, sat in his dining room. Ah, the life of a bachelor! He took various parts of the engine apart and didn't reassemble things correctly. Little did I know what fun I was to have in the future.

                                        -- Stephen Holmes on Facebook"

 

-- Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/661772477715251/posts/1529698040922686/

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More information on Welby's Rolls Royce: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=47&t=1933169

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Rolls-Royce 20 25 for hire in Sevenoaks
Hire this Rolls-Royce 20 25 for your event
Information about the vehicle

This is a wonderful Rolls Royce 20/25 built in 1933 and 'modernised' in 1951. She wears her history extremely well, in that she is not a gleaming repainted example, but instead demonstrates a beautiful patina. 'Florrie' has been in the same family from new and has a huge history file. Welby Skinner, a Harley Street dentist, bought her new from Jack Barclay. On his way home he bought a mink coat for his wife to pacify her a little!

Source: https://www.bookaclassic.co.uk/rolls-royce-20-25-sevenoaks/

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Stephen Holmes brings his 1933 Rolls Royce 20/25 that has been owned by his family from new. ‘Florrie’, as the Rolls is affectionately named, was bought from Jack Barclays by Stephen’s wife’s great uncle, Welby Skinner, in 1933, and has been handed down through the generations.

        -- Source: https://mikebrewermotoring.com/news/shows-and-events/london-to-                    brighton-runs-get-ready-for-the-start-line/


Welby Skinner, Royal Academy:

Welby Skinner, older brother of RR Skinner and the self-proclaimed family head after his mother died, exhibited two times with the Royal Academy's yearly exhibitions. In 1945, he contributed "Summer Shade"; in 1947, he contributed "Midsummer Shade". The following are paintings mostly of his wife, Florence Skinner (1891 - 1960). Source:https://chronicle250.com/index/exhibitors/s

 

Welby Skinner, "The Artist's Wife", 1944


Welby Skinner, "Eyes Closed", 1941


Welby Skinner, "Somnolence", 1944


Welby Skinner, Backwater-Sunbury-on-Thames, 1968



Welby Skinner, 'Portrait of a man in a blue suit', 1952, oil on canvas; someone compared
the two portraits, on left, Welby smoking and a bit rough; on right, Welby, respectable.




Sunday, July 27, 2025

After RR's mother passed away

                           


Could the young man, standing beside the coffin of Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner, 
be her son, RR Skinner? If you read newspaper reports of Mrs. Skinner's funeral (see previous
post), one describes the frenzied crowds outside the church, banging on the doors to gain entrance,
and just as RR described, when the funeral was over people entered and stripped the church for souvenirs. During the funeral two elderly, grey-haired, women guarded the doors (possibly the women above), and during the funeral the crowd forced the doors open, The Prophetess's husband, Mr. Arthur Skinner, and her sons left the side of the coffin to keep the crowd outside, mass hysteria was rampant! 

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Here are my edited notes of what RR Skinner recalled of his mother, Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner (30 Aug. 1875 - 24 Nov. 1929):

His mother was a tall and imposing woman; possibly six feet tall. She would take a push cart and collect toys in the wealthy west end of London and then distribute them in the poor east end; no wonder there was such a large turnout for her funeral, people loved her as did her family. She started a church and took on the name of The Paracleta. Reg would be present at the church meetings and from this he began to learn about people's psychology; he learned how to "read" people and how to do psychic readings. RR's mother intended him to be her successor and to be a world teacher, she held this belief about him before his birth. Part of her church service was delivering the sacraments. The spirit she communicated with, or was a medium for, or who she channelled, was a North American Indian who was called Idvill. The Paracleta prophesied the coming of World War One and prepared for food shortages by filling large metal trunks with dried fruit. During her last ten years she lived in her church where she had a bedroom. When she died her followers stripped the church of its decorations and ornaments. 

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The night RR’s mother died: RR went to his mother when he heard her laboured breathing, this was caused by asthma; Reg said, “No one dies of asthma”, but his mother died of asthma. She had asked for ice cream and RR, noticing it was by the fire, told her it had melted, it had been spoiled by the heat. He felt she was dying; later that night his sister, who was caring for their mother, called their father and RR. While the father put on his spats, moving slowly about his library, RR rushed to his mother's room. They were very close -- she had written to his future godmother, before RR was born, that he was to be the future avatar or world teacher and she trained RR on how to give psychic readings. Reaching her bedroom RR found her body in her bed, her head hanging to one side and mouth open. RR took a towel and tied it around her head closing her mouth; he remarked to me how detached he was when doing this. 

RR wonders why he developed throat cancer two years after his mother's passing. It was years later that he realized, and believed, that it may have been caused by his emotional repression of his mother's death; he believed because he did not speak of her passing, or of how close he had been to her, that this repression caused his throat cancer. A well-known Scottish doctor, whose specialty was cancer, removed the cancerous growth in his neck. He had a long convalescence and was not expected to survive the surgery. Fifty years later, sitting with Reg as he discussed this time in his life, he opened the collar of his shirt and showed me the scar where the doctor had operated. 

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Welby Arthur Skinner (13 Nov. 1896 - 06 Dec. 1984) became the family head after their mother died. In the early years of the 20th Century he was invited to visit Czarist Russia to lecture on the new radio technology. The radio licence that the BBC holds was issued after Welby received his license. Welby was also a visual artist and a member of the Royal Academy of Artists; RR would deliver Welby's paintings to the Royal Academy's exhibitions. Finally, Welby was a dental surgeon with his office at 44 Harley Street West in London (this is still a dental office; as an aside, years ago when I was writing this narrative about RR Skinner I contacted the dentist who bought Welby's dental practise; what he said was that Welby arrived sitting in the back seat of his Rolls Royce, the Rolls will be mentioned again). When Welby went to fight in World War One, sending home watercolour post cards that he had painted, their mother temporarily took over his medical practise, performing extractions, fillings, and other dental operations. RR is missing several teeth because he allowed Welby to extract them for practise. (I have omitted RR's memories of his sister Joan and his brother Ronald). He remembered with fondness his two elderly sisters, Girlie and Doris. 

 ... Within six months of RR's mother's passing, his father (Arthur John Skinner, 11 June 1867 - 25 March 1953) was looking for a new wife. This was something of which Welby disapproved; Welby called a family meeting and had his father put out of the family home. RR had a photograph of his father sitting in a tiny London garden located behind the house of his father's second wife, he was a tiny lonely old man; RR's father had a daughter with his second wife.  When Flossie (Florence Skinner, 4 Oct. 1891 - 18 Feb. 1960), Welby's first wife, suffered a stroke in the late 1950s, RR went to visit them in London. Flossie sat in a chair by a window and Welby spoke of her condition in front of her, he said, "All she can do is shit and piss." RR was upset by Welby's crude comment; he visited Flossie afterwards and attempted to communicate with her. It was Welby's insensitivity that alienated RR from Welby. And then, after Flossie died, Welby remarried but RR never visited them and never met Welby's new wife and her son. 

During the 1930s RR worked for Nestle, possibly as a manager, and he spoke of firing numerous people; the other employees hated him so much that one day a hostile group of them waited for him at the entrance to the Nestle factory, but he seems to have intimidated them and the gang dispersed.

RR said that he had two adopted brothers, Eric and Victor. He had a sister, Ruthie, who failed to return home from school one day, it was believed she was kidnapped for she was never seen again; they adopted Victor to replace Ruthie. While RR and Welby went to public schools, to Aleyn's, Dulwich, where their father taught geography, another brother, Cyril, went to a council school because the family couldn’t afford a better school; Cyril had a working class accent and later worked for Welby as a helper. 

During the war RR said he worked as an air traffic controller. He mentioned that some British fighter planes, returning to the UK, would be shot down, these British planes were confused with enemy airplanes entering British airspace. RR was demobbed in 1945 and returned to civilian life to open a fix-it shop. He had married before the war and returned to married life, but he said the marriage was unhappy, they were constantly arguing. He and his wife had two children, both girls, but he seems to have had little contact with his ex-wife or his daughters. He left the marriage and re-enlisted and served for another five years; I think what he did during this period, 1945 - 1950, is that he visited German towns to root out remaining Nazi sympathizers. In 1950, without money, but with an allowance to retrain for civilian life, he took a short course in chiropody. He described living upstairs over a green grocer for six months, living on oat meal. Around this time he met Joan, his future common-law wife. In 1967 she discovered that she had cancer; five years later, when they were about to celebrate her fifth year of being cancer free, a new tumour was discovered. RR often spoke about Joan and how happy they were together. 

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RR said that he was a healer; he kept file cards on his patients, his notation on each card was some kind of short hand or notation that only he could understand. And people came to see him, to talk, to have him put them in deep relaxation and try to locate the source of their ill health. A few times people came to the front door and just meeting RR seemed to help them and they left. RR felt that people needed to enter the stream of life but how was this to be done? RR is not alone when he says that destroying the old allows something new to be born, in this sense being destructive is allowing for what is new to exist. Once, I asked him to summarize his teaching. He said there were two things he had observed, these would help people enter the stream of life: the first was that the other person came first and, the second is that one's thoughts were always wrong, if you thought you knew something then you were wrong in your thinking. I could understand the first of these but the second somewhat eluded me except that, sometimes, the more I am firmly committed to a point of view, that I am convinced of something, the greater the possibility that I am wrong. I remember repeating these two points to RR and he said he didn't remember saying these things, although they were interesting ideas and they seemed like something he would say. He said that he would add something else to the list, that we must give what we have, freely and without thought for ourselves or for the future. He said that ideas and thoughts will get you nowhere, the stream of life has to come to you, life has to come to you for "you" are just an idea with no reality, but an accumulation of thoughts and memories. Life is constantly moving and changing and we cannot make permanent that which is impermanent. The stream of life is constantly changing and new.

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I remember the following episode very clearly. It was towards the end of my last visit with RR. 

...Now RR referred to himself as being old and what a comfort this was for him. One morning, before Peggy arrived, we walked through a housing estate and gotr lost. A very old woman, bent and thin with age, was walking her equally old dog. RR went up to the dog and affectionately, "I think you're naughty, I think you're a naughty girl." The old woman laughed and said, "Yes, aren't all of us women naughty." RR and she smiled and chattered, old age was a blessing. 

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A few years later (around 1987 - 1988) when I was back in Canada, I had a phone call from Reg; I had some difficulty understanding what he was saying because, as he informed me, he had had a stroke. He said that the stroke was a blessing. A few years later he moved into a nursing home. I had the address at the time, but RR was no longer able to correspond, he said that writing letters had ended for him. I looked up the residence on Google Street View to see what it looked like, it seemed to be someone's home. Sue, RR's companion for a number of years, said that Reg stayed in his upstairs bedroom, he wasn’t interested in socializing with the other residents.  

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I’ve just found these photographs in a box of old photos; they might be of interest.


Sue Fairless (?) and RR

Reg and Czar

Beach huts; walking to Bognor Regis

In Felpham, William Blake’s home from 1800 to 1803; my finger on lense


Walking from Felpham to Bognor Regis

Reg’s dog, Czar


Here is Ley Road; unrelated to this road`s name,
ley lines cross and crisscross the UK

 

Visiting 
St. Mary's, Felpham


View from St. Mary’s, Felpham, Felpham Road

St. Mary's, Felpham

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Peggy Lake and Reg Skinner with pendulum for dowsing


Miniature painting (3 1/2" X 3 1/2"), a present to me from Peggy Lake
who lived near RR after he moved to Felpham, Peggy was RR's sister-in-law; 
inscription on verso: "To Steven, A small memento of your visit Aug/Sept 84
with good wishes to you and your family. Peggy"


One day, RR and I visited Joan's sister, Peggy Lake, who lives near Felpham, in Yapton. Peggy has a small row house in a fairly new development. Peggy said, "When Joan was dying I held her hand. Joan said that she saw birds at her feet and she was talking to them, then she said ‘have I harmed anyone?’” and died. Sitting in Peggy`s living or reception room, one is surrounded by knick knacks, her paintings, books, and family photos. There is one photograph of RR and Joan together; they are sitting beneath a tree, Joan with no expression, looking very tired, while RR is smiling. Peggy said, "ÃŒt's not a good photograph of Joan; it was taken the summer before she died." RR, when speaking with Peggy, was nervous, he spoke quickly and he was not at ease; while he spoke of the same things he discussed with me -- "things appertaining", auras, evolution, and dowsing, Krishnamurti, for instance -- he was not at ease. He assumed a formality that Peggy accepted as RR's way. They have known each other for almost thirty-five years but RR said they have never been especially close. Peggy thinks of RR as an eccentric; she does not approve of everything he says or does, but she keeps her judgements to herself. 

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… And in the End: I met Reg Skinner in August 1974. At the end of that month I returned to Montreal and spent two years at McGill University earning my Master of Arts degree; upon graduating I was hired to teach English at Champlain Regional College, I taught there for thirty-five years. I corresponded with RR for about fifteen years. I married in August 1976, the marriage ended in 1989; I have one son. In April 1978 I spent a month with Pat McCarty and we drove from Oakland, California, to Baja California; we attended Krishnamurti's Talks in Ojai, California, that April 1978. I first met Pat in Switzerland for Krishnamurti's Talks in 1974; Pat also met RR Skinner at the same time as I did. Pat McCarty died, in Florida in 2008, he was only 60 years old; Pat McCarty was born on 21 January 1947, the same birthdate as Carolyn Zonailo, my second wife; Carolyn and I have been together since the end of May 1991. I heard Krishnamurti speak at the Felt Forum, MSG, in New York City around 1984. After about twelve years since we met at Saanen for Krishnamurti’s talks, I met Sally (Lake) McKenzie at RR's home in Felpham in 1986. I published books of poetry and criticism. I retired from teaching in 2012; now, I consider myself retired from most things. All those years ago...

Tuesday, July 22, 2025

Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner, who was she?

It is only within the last few years that I discovered the identity of RR Skinner’s mother, of whom he spoke only with affection. The Skinner family is represented on the Find a Grave website and without this resource I would not have found Mrs. Skinner, who was a well-known spiritualist in Bethnal Green in London in the 1920s. Spiritualism was very popular in the 19th Century, it affirmed that communicating with the dead was possible, and, for instance, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, among others, were spiritualists. "The Mother", as Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner was referred to, had a North American indigenous spirit guide, that is, the "person" whose messages were communicated by her was a native American; however, she was not the only medium with a North American native guide, there are others. We have an Indigenous People's television network here in Canada and one of their programmes is Spirit Talker which features a medium, a First Nations' spiritualist, who sits with other natives, average people, and communicates what their deceased relatives want to say to them; some of these episodes are highly moving; I expect that this was the type of thing done by Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner, it is to "deliver a message of hope, healing, and closure."

I suspect that Mrs. Skinner may have borrowed from several occult traditions, including the Rosicrucians and the Theosophists. She doesn't seem to have written any books or articles on this subject, subsequently there is little evidence for what she said or did in life. RR Skinner was both her son and pupil in the art or practise of psychic reading. Here is something of what we know:

Elizabeth Mary Ann Eagle Skinner 


Mrs Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner
of The Universal Brotherhood,
the Mystical Church 
of the Comforter


Mrs Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner of The Universal Brotherhood, the Mystical Church of the Comforter with headquarters in a church (a disused waiting room ) at Denmark Hill Station; “The leader and founder of the church was Mrs. Elizabeth Skinner, whose official title was The Messenger…” (
1 January 1927)


                         


Excerpt for Wikipedia entry on the location of Mrs. Skinner’s church at the Denmark Hill railway station:


The station was built between 1864 and 1866. Its design by Charles Henry Driver is in the Italianate style, with an extremely decorative frontage and French pavilion roofs.[4]

... In 1920 the waiting room was used by The Mystical Church of the Comforter, founded by Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner, who was known as "The Messenger". The waiting room was transformed by an altar, painted white and surrounded by the seven colours of the rainbow.[5] The Nottingham Evening Post for 17 June 1926 reported that babies were baptised, funeral services were read and even a marriage was solemnised. The porters and clerks of the railway company often worked to the accompaniment of hymns sung by the congregation. The church is believed to have ceased to function after the death of Skinner in November 1929. . .  By the late 1970s, the structure had fallen into disrepair...

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1920 saw the station’s waiting room commence use by The Mystical Church of the Comforter, founded by Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner who was affectionately known as ‘The Messenger’. This arrangement lasted until Skinner’s death in November 1929.

                        --https://blog.lessavine.co.uk/denmark-hill-station-dmk/

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The following is from https://loughborough-junction.org/2016/12/01/the-mystical-church-of-the-comforter-in-denmark-hill-railway-station/

Mrs Skinner passed away on November 24, 1929 and this report from the Lancashire Evening Post, 27 November 1929, describes the scene. She is buried in Camberwell Old Cemetery.


The Mystical Church of the Comforter … in Denmark Hill Railway Station

A disused waiting room in Denmark Hill Railway Station hosted the Mystical Church of the Comforter. It’s founder was Elizabeth Mary Ann Eagle Skinner nee Roberts. She was born August 30-31, 1875 in Bethnal Green. She married Arthur John Skinner, who was a teacher at Alleyn’s Dulwich.

She founded the Church in 1901 and it moved into the disused waiting room next to the ticket office at Denmark Hill around 1920.

The church in the station: http://jot101.com/2019/10/the-church-in-the-station/

If you were catching a train to or from Denmark Hill railway station in Camberwell, London, any time between 1920 and 1929 you might be surprised to find that one of the waiting rooms there had been converted to a place of worship. But not any place of worship. Around 1920 a disused waiting room on the first floor was let to one Mary Elizabeth Eagle Skinner for use as a temple dedicated to her Mystical Church of the Comforter, a religious foundation, which she claimed had ancient foundations, but which she had re-established in 1901.

Little is known about Mary Skinner (1875 – 1929) apart from the fact that she was a Rosicrucian of the Ymir Temple, was married to a schoolteacher, called herself ‘The Messenger', but was popularly known as 'mother'. Her full-page advert in the April 1926 issue of The Occult Review which we found at Jot HQ recently, tells us a little more about the teachings of her Church, which were no doubt laid down by herself, she being to all intents and purposes a one-woman band.

 One curious newspaper reporter in 1926 described the Temple thus:

One end of the room had been transformed into an altar, painted white and surrounded by the seven colours of the rainbow. Seven steps lead up to the altar, and at the side are two pillars representing Beauty and Strength. Everything is done by symbols, and the badge worn by members is a dove standing in the circle with a seven-leaved branch in its beak.


Skinner was not the first religious figure to proclaim the importance of ‘Universal Brotherhood’, but unlike most established religions around the world, she supported the idea that men and women are equally qualified to act as ministers. The chief teachings had aspects in common with orthodox Christianity, although the emphasis was much more on the unity of all ‘men, of all creeds, seeing the one Eternal LIGHT of LOVE shining through all ‘. There is also an emphasis on the importance of personal moral responsibility:

‘Thou art thy own judge; thy conscience tells thee. There is no such thing as a bad conscience : it is thy good conscience that reproves thee. Thy conscience is the EYE of the soul. It is the Angle with the Flaming Sword !

Such teachings recall those of the Ba’hai movement, which was founded in the 1840s, and which claims to be the youngest major religion in the world. Skinner may have been influenced by the teachings of the Ba’hai leader, who toured England in the early years of the twentieth century.

 Services at the Mystical Church were held on Sunday, Wednesday and Thursday evenings (presumably when the station was less busy). Healing took place on Saturday evenings and ‘deeper‘  sessions were available to enrolled members only on Monday and Friday evenings.

 It would be interesting to know what sort of people attended Skinner’s services, but whoever they were, most seem to have flocked to the Temple to see her body laid out following her death in November 1929 at the early age of 54. Indeed there was such a crush in the passage outside the former waiting room, that there were fears for the safety of all concerned. One admirer of ‘mother‘ Skinner summed up the feelings of all who knew her:

‘She was a great and loving soul, a prophetess and a seer…’

                                                                    --R.M.Healey


                                  

One end of the room has been transformed by an altar, painted white and surrounded by the seven colours of the rainbow. Seven steps lead up to the altar, and at the side are two pillars representing beauty and strength. Everything is done by symbols, and the badge worn by the members is a dove, standing in a circle with a seven-leafed branch in its beak.  

                --A description from the Lincolnshire Echo, 21 August 1926

 

“The leader and founder of the church is Mrs Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner. Her official title is “The Messenger” but most of the members call her Mother. When conducting a service, Mrs Skinner wears white robes ornamented with mystical signs. She is a Rosicrucian and the signs used refer to some of the inner orders of that society.”

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The church was mentioned in an advertisement published in a periodical “Review, THE PROBLEM OF ATLANTIS”; note: this periodical seems to have published only advertisements.

Messenger (YMIR TEMPLE) Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner. 'Phone Brixton 2426. A BOOK OF GREAT INTEREST. The Problem of Atlantis. By LEWIS SPENCE. Demy 8vo, cloth Source: http://www.iapsop.com › materials › occult_review

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"Peace and Love be Thine"

                         


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Several of the following images are taken from https://loughborough-junction.org/2016/12/01/the-mystical-church-of-the-comforter-in-denmark-hill-railway-station/

Mrs. Skinner at the altar of her temple


The symbolism of Mendelssohn's Wedding March
played at a 
funeral... now wed to eternity.


Statement by Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner


Newspaper report of Elizabeth Mary Eagle Skinner funeral


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Other links: 

https://jot101.com/2019/10/the-church-in-the-station/

https://harveymorris.uk/2020/10/29/covid-nights-a-storm-over-haunted-camberwell/